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501. Caleb Carman (William H. Herndon Interview).

[March 1887]

Caleb Carman — am 84 years — first new Lincoln in Sangamon Town in Sangamon Co in 1831. I used to go down to the river and play cards with Lincoln — he and Jno Johnston & Jno Hanks built a boat at Sangamon Town — lived in [shanty?] about 90 feet from the River — Sawed his [lumber?] at Broadwells mill in Sangamon Town — Mill up on the town — I next knew Lincoln in New Salem: he boarded with me in N Salem — He was engaged to Ann Rutledge — Lincoln was PM and kept it at my house — was Elected PM & kept it for him while in the legislature — Played cards — went to horse races — thru mauls — pitch quoits — wedges — & — All in 1831

Library of Congress: Herndon-Weik Collection. Manuscript Division. Library of Congress. Washington, D.C. 3366



1. Carman's stated age would put this interview in 1889, but the distinctive paper used for the interview, which is identical to that of the dated interview with Jasper Rutledge, assures that this is one of the interviews WHH conducted in Menard County in early March 1887.